Weirdness of amarr logi strikes even if you compare it with amarr assault. And Gal logi as bonus compare.
..............Amarr Logi...................Amarr Assault..................Gallente Logi
PG...............66..................................70.......................................78
CPU...........390.................................350......................................390
High.............3.....................................3..........................................3
Low..............3....................................3..........................................5
Eq.................3....................................1..........................................4
Shield.........120...............................180.........................................90
Armor..........180..............................180.......................................180
Run..............4.5................................4.8........................................4.7
Sprint...........6.4................................6.7........................................6.6


Amarr logi for some reason have less PG then amarr assault (and much less then any other logi), but with same High/Low and +2 equipment slots.
And logi need huge PG supply to fit all those extra equipment. Which is hard with lacking PG.

So comparing to Gallente logi, again HUGE lack of PG.
Gallente have -30EHP with +2Low and +12PG (+4 from skills 30%*12) and -25% PG/CPU on all equipment, which is HUGE for logi.
And with that all extra PG/CPU that Gallente have from suit itself or skill for equipment he can just actually fit one free* rep module into extra low slot to compensate for amarr's repair bonus from skill.

For me side arm just not worth the PG/Low drawbacks.

Yes, that is the message overall: Don't nerf suits from what they are now, bring other suits up to par. The Amarr needs love. The Minmatar is perfectly balanced. Caldari seems balanced for combat and module variety. Gallente is balanced for module variety and equipment. Amarr is balance for... no it is not, nevermind.

Personally the PG has to be changed its way to low and is I believe a mistake on the devs part.

As for putting low or high slot I don't now I would personally like a low slot but then is it on part with other suits or is it then slightly better.

I don't want the characteristics changed I would like to try using the stupidly fast time to recharge rate on the shields and the very high passive bonuses of the suit for armour to make a Less overall HP suit but balanced with the best 0>full hp suit in the game that would make the suit have its on niche in combat.

For example having 2x shield extenders and 1x Shield recharge in the highs having 1 advanced or complex plate and 2x complex reppers in the lows (combined with level 5 in passives to get stamina and speed 5 percent to offset the armour slowness) would mean around 600 hps but stupidly fast shield regeneration on damage with low downtime on recharge and lowish armour but again the equivelant of a tier 2 repper on you at all times.

Personally people advocating for extra high are looking for damage mods and i dont think thats what the class is about so much, low slot addition would be less powerfull buff but add versatlity.

Maybe a PG upgrade would be best as long as its fairly significant and then have a look at the balance of the class after that.

Yes I use 2 damage mods on my Amarr Proto Logi(APL) - one Light, one Sidearm - so what? The reason I want the extra slot isn't for more damage - I need it for shields which I lack in...

I build a self sufficient suit with which I can support my teammates & hold my own, because if I don't, I'll be spending my time respawning instead of supporting... Plus, my suit(s - I've made a hack focused suit)is of the most versatile NOT, because it has an extra low slot, but because I carry a swarm launcher & can aid in vehicular destruction...

Y'all need to ease off this 'a Logi isn't supposed to have a strong offence - that's not it's function' - the ability to efficiently take out enemies is just as important as being able to take a fair amount of damage regardless of which role you're playing... & if you disagree - just swap your weapon to a standard scrambler pistol with no damage mods, load up lots of armor, get into a game & see how much fun you have dying over & over at your disadvantages(slow & weak = easy target that only 'tickles' enemies - SMH)...

Again, because of the fact that the suit is already the slowest & has a race boost - which allows one to easily go without a low slot yet remain on par with a 4 low slot suit - the APL doesn't need another low slot...

I do not like the idea of using a suit with 225 shields & 569 armor - I prefer 300 or so of each... If you do not understand that either excessive shields & low armor or vice versa has disadvantages against certain weapons, all is lost... But then again - make suits of same, experiment & see, how well you do in battle - & don't forget to ONLY use a standard scrambler pistol with no damage mods, because 'offense' is not a function of Logistics right?

Oh, & only a suit's equipment slot & weapon variety dictates it's versatility...

PS: I would say do it without a weapon period, but we all know you can't...

They are supposed to be armour tanked in eve but that doesn't seem to be the case in dust so much. There are both equal slots high and low. Also the base hps of 120 and 180 are pretty similar with the logi and exactly the same 180 180 for the assault. In addition with high recharge rate and as far as I know the fastest time to recharge of 6 and 5 seconds on shield this suit seems more of a hybrid shield/armour suit as it stands. With limited low slots you cant really armour tank very well only self armour repair well with limited high slots putting damage mods himps your overall hps severly to.

I would argue at present the suit is hybrid armour/shields unlike the ships in eve where they are best armour tankers in the game.

+5% to efficacy of armor repairer modules per level.

why does a Logi suit have so many Module slots anyway? I feel that they should have less total module slots IMO as it is their "cost" of their extra equipment slots. How do you guys feel about that?

I could argue back that I account for hybrid because as you stated ALL logis get the armour rep as standard. The base hit points for both armour and shield are almost the same. There is an in built buff in the suit that gives it an equivlent of 2 complex shield regulartors for free. The shield regen rate is also high. Then for armour you get the bonuses to the self reps.

So coupled with the fact that the base shields are high though not quite as high as the armour I believe there is much more of a hybrid going on here than galente suit for example. Both high and low slots are 3 and 3 not 2 and 4 or other combination. It all factors into a hybrid shield/armour character. If you decide to go damage mods on your upper slots then your going to go 2 full complex with 20 percent slow down on an allready slow suit you have to have the other low for complex reps. Your total armour is going to be on par with a starting heavy with slightly higher speeds. And your then nerfing yourself not only on speed but the fact your only using one repairer means your not ustilising fully the racial repair funciton.

Something like a complex plate x2 complex reps plus 2 or 3 complex shields with 1 or 0 enhanced shield recharger makes more sense to me. The way that they have built the suit. Besides devs have allready stated they wont be tied to eve lore to make weapons and equipment in dust if they wish to do other things.

As for people who are saying not enough high slots due to running two damage mods then I suggest you have the wrong character logis are support characters the amarr assault has extra shields on them and it makes more sense to go assault if you wish to run damage mods in my humble opinion.

What is with you people?

Amarr is for armor tanking?

I should go Assault?

Why don't you 'anti damage people' play with a militia scrambler pistol only?

Why is it that all y'all can think of when y'all see low slots is stacking heavy ass armor?

What about improving your hacking speed?

What about improving your stamina?

TTT because this isn't a thread that should be 10 pages back. We want PG upgrade!!!! maybe slightly better run speed.

Agreed.
Thank you CCP for listening to the discussions, arguments, and tantrums of your players and forming a solution that you felt would be best for the game. Thank you, again for the adjustments. I continue to look forward to future updates and changes to make the game even better.